Bangkok Prostirution - Thai Girls, Sex
Prostitutes can be had for "shorttime", which is typically for up to two hours plus round trip transit time to the local short time hotel. Alternatively, they can be taken for "longtime", to sleep with you in your home or hotel, for a domestic vacation to the beach or ancient ruins, to a movie and dinner, etc.
Mainstream Thai girls are not available in a sex-for-money arrangement. I've sometimes heard guys say that in Thailand you can take girls off the street for a shorttime sex encounter. This practically never happens. The only place you're going to get a shorttime girl is in a place with prostitutes. Outside of those places, you will get only negative (and usually harsh) reactions from a proposition. It is important that you know when you're in a prostitution area and when you are outside it. Any lady smiling at you outside a prostitution area usually does not have sex on her mind at all, just like in any other country.
There are generally three kinds of places to pick up a prostitute:
Go-go bars Massage parlors Freelancer pickup joints
The following is only a brief overview, for those who need a guide to orient them to the rules and customs so that you will be able to go practically anywhere and know what to do.
There are other websites which give you a lot more detailed information on which places are most popular, various experiences and recommendations. Some of these are listed at the end of this web page.
Go-Go Bars
Go-go bars are beer bars with girls as fulltime employees. These places are defined by the following:
The girls are fulltime employees of the bar and work the same daily schedule
If you take the girl outside of the bar, you must pay an established, non-negotiable "bar fine" to the bar (e.g., 500 baht), in addition to what you pay the girl
You pay the girl separately for the sexual encounter, as you negotiate with the girl (e.g., 1000 baht, more or less)
The girls are not required to go with any man who wants them, but can choose of their own free will whether to go with you
The girls are paid a small salary to work at the bar, equivalent to entry level factory work. In addition, they make some money on "lady drinks", i.e., if you buy then a coke or orange juice, they get a small commission. If they go out for sex, they keep all of that money, except the bar fine which is usually kept in full by the establishment that employs them. Some such establishments have a quota on how many times a girl must be "bar fined" per month in order to remain employed and get her salary, e.g., 8 times.
There are two kinds of beer bar:
Dancing go-go bars
Non-dancing go-go bars
In the dancing go-go bars, there are one or more stages where the girls dance, usually in a bikini swim suit or underwear. Some of these places have topless dancers, and some offer totally nude dancers at times during the night (who get a slightly higher salary). Many of these bars have scheduled sex shows of various sorts. They usually have no door as the entrance is instead a hanging curtain, and they are always air-conditioned. You walk in, find a place to sit down, and a waitress serves you whatever you want to drink. Beer is usually priced reasonably at around 70 baht per bottle, plus or minus 10 baht (about $2), and that's all you owe them. The girls take turns dancing on the stage for a few songs at a time and mixing with the men sitting down. These bars are usually found in a few entertainment complexes. In Bangkok, the farang oriented dancing go-go bars are found in:
Patpong (between Silom and Surawongse Rds.), very touristy
Nana Entertainment Plaza (NEP) (Sukhumvit soi 4), more ex-pat
Soi Cowboy (between Sukhumvit soi 23 and 21), more ex-pat
The non-dancing go-go bars are usually open air bars with no air conditioning, though there are some with air conditioning. All three of the above entertainment complexes have non-dancing open air bars, though they are a small minority of the bars there. Two other farang areas exist with non-dancing go-go bars:
Buckskin Joe Village, under the expressway where Sukhumvit becomes Phloenchit
The bars named after artists on Sukhumvit 33, mainly ex-pat
In addition, there is Clinton Plaza between Sukhumvit sois 13 and 15. Most of these open air bars are frequented by groups of men who are not looking for a girl for pick-up. However, some of these bars will let you take an employee with you if she wants to go and if you pay a bar fine. Inside are some air conditioned bars, and a go-go has opened up on a high floor.
There are other go-go bars outside of the farang areas (which usually aren't called "go-go" but which are essentially defined by the above 4 rules), but I do not cover them here. You would need to be able to speak Thai at those places, and if you can speak Thai, then you have been here long enough to find those places.
When you are interested in taking a girl from a go-go bar, you have two choices:
"Short time", up to two hours at a shorttime hotel plus transit time
or
"Long time", i.e., bring her back to your home or hotel overnight
The advantages of the go-go bars to ex-pats are:
The girls are used to farangs
The girls have usually learned enough English to communicate the basics and negotiate a price
The girls are unlikely to steal from you or give you any problems because they are accountable to their employer
Two other sections you should be interested in are on shorttime hotels and condoms. You should know that some high end hotels don't allow prostitutes into the hotel with guests for security and/or image reasons. However, most do allow the girls in, though usually the girl has to drop off her ID card at reception, which she can pick up when she leaves. Shorttime hotels do not ask for the girl's ID card.
The usually alloted time in a shorttime hotel is 2 hours. However, if you want to take all two hours then you should make this clear to the girl beforehand, because many guys have complained that their girl wanted a quick sexual encounter and then to return to the bar.
Some bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy have a place in the back of the bar where you can go for a quickie for about 200 baht. However, most do not.
Typical price is 1000 to 1500 baht, more or less. However, some girls will not state a price, but leave it up to your generosity. This does not mean they are free. They may be shy to ask for a price. It is also a custom in some circles to politely leave the generosity up to you. This is more common with freelancers (see below) than bar girls, but occurs both ways. The main point here is that they aren't free just because they didn't state a price beforehand.
In Patpong, you should not go to any second floor places unless you are accompanied by another farang who knows the minority of second floor places which are safe. Many of the second floor places are traps. They will give you an exhorbitant bill and block the way to the door with big guys. If you ever find yourself in this predicament, do not fight, just negotiate and pay your bill, try to get a receipt, and go straight to the tourist police on Surawongse Road. You might be able to get some of your money back. Again, this is a problem in Patpong, not on Sukhumvit.
Massage Parlors
Massage parlors, or "ab op newut" in Thai, are establishments which have the following:
The girls are fulltime employees of the bar and work the same daily schedule
You take the girl to a room inside the establishment for your encounter, not outside
You pay one established fee for everything, non-negotiable, and typically 1500-2500 baht
The girls ARE required to go with whichever man who wants them, and cannot choose of their own free will whether or not to go with whoever chooses them
You are brought to a room inside where there is a big tub bath and a bed
The usual routine is the girl bathes you, applies a condom, gives you oral sex and/or gives you a soapy massage with her breasts and/or and slides down to intercourse and/or continues on the bed
These places should not be confused for "traditional massage" places. The latter are real massage, not including sex. The sex-massage places normally do not include a real massage.
These establishments are more popular for Asians than for westerners, though many westerners frequent these places as well.
When you walk in the door, you will see girls sitting together in a central section for viewing behind a large glass window. They may be wearing swimsuits or some special uniform linguerie unique to that establishment. They are all wearing a unique number. You decide which one you want and tell the man who has the microphone. He calls the number and you meet near the cashier. You pay your money and she brings you to the room for the above routine. Note: You do not talk to the girl before deciding to take her.
The slang phrase for these places is "fish bowl", whereby you choose which fish to scoop out of the bowl.
A few can be found in the Patpong area, and there are a few standing alone in scattered places down sois on Sukhumvit. Petchburi Rd., which parallels Sukhumvit about a kilometer north, is the main strip of massage places. However, you can find massage places all over Bangkok, and indeed can usually find at least one in almost all major towns.
There are many taxi and tuk-tuk drivers with glossy brochures of massage parlors. The selection of girls in the parlors are almost never as nice looking as the girls in the photo in the brochure. However, girls in massage parlors are often prettier than girls in bars, since the massage girls are successful based solely on their looks, whereas girls in bars can interact with customers first. Notably, since Thai men like white skinned girls, then practically all massage parlors that cater mainly to Thai men will have girls with whiter skin on average than bars in farang areas. In fact, most girls in farang area bars consider themselves dark skinned.
Freelance Pick-Up Joints
These establishments have the following in common:
The girls are not employees of the bar, but are allowed to hang out there even if they don't consume food or drink, because they attract farang male customers
The girls are free to come and go as they wish
You do not pay the establishment anything for the girl
All prices and terms are negotiated solely between you and the girl
The main freelance pick-up joints are:
The German beer garden on Sukhumvit soi 7, afternoon to approx. midnite
Thermae, under Ruamchit Hotel near Sukhumvit soi 15, approx. 11pm to 2am
Angels disco in Nana Hotel, Sukhumvit soi 4, approx. 11pm to 2am
Hard Rock Cafe (ground floor has freelancers), 7pm to 2am
Vibrations disco (mixed mainstream and freelancers) under Novotel Siam Square, approx. 10pm to 2am
Spasso, under Erawan Hotel, has some "hi-class" freelancers in the mix, 7pm to 2am
King's Lounge discotheque in Patpong, from around 11pm to 2am
Country Road, end of Soi Cowboy on soi 21 side, 9pm to 2am
Grace Hotel, soi 3, 10pm to 2am
You should note that the streets get crowded after 2am when the girls who work at go-go bars get off work.
The closing times vary according to the political climate. When I arrived in 1994, many places didn't close until sunrise. The current Thai Rak Thai administration has been closing all establishments between midnight and 2am depending upon their location and how long they have been in business.
The main advantages of the above freelance pick-up places are:
No bar fine to the establishment, i.e., lower overall cost
If you have a protracted relationship, these girls are not obligated to return to the bar on their daily schedule (especially useful for travelling together)
If you have a protracted relationship, you wouldn't have to pay repeated "bar fines", only your negotiated daily rate for the girl
Some of the girls in freelance places have not been in prostitution for long and have never worked in any other kind of prostitution establishment (though many others have been in prostitution for very long and have "graduated" to the level of freelancer)
The main disadvantage of these places is:
The girls are unaccountable if they do anything bad to you
The vast majority of cases of theft and druggings come from girls picked up at freelance places. While most girls at these places are safe, the ones who are thieves generally work at these places. On the other hand, the professionals tend to go after tourists rather than take a risk with anyone who lives in Thailand and whom they would have a high chance of running into again in the future.
Two other sections you should be interested in are on shorttime hotels and condoms. You should know that some high end hotels don't allow prostitutes into the hotel with guests for security and/or image reasons. However, most do allow the girls in, though usually the girl has to drop off her ID card at reception, which she can pick up when she leaves. Shorttime hotels do not ask for the girl's ID card.
Typical price is 1000 baht, more or less. However, some girls will not state a price, but leave it up to your generosity. This does not mean they are free. They may be shy to ask for a price. It is also a custom in some circles to politely leave the generosity up to you.
If you take them longtime, back to your home, you generally should not expect maid service. Some will offer it, and if they iron your shirts, clean your dishes, etc., then you should tip them. Usually, if you want this then you should request it well in advance and negotiate a total fee. Some will be willing, some won't.
Short Time Hotels
There are a few shorttime hotels inside Patpong. On Sukhumvit, they are located outside of the bar complexes but nearby. On Sukhumvit, farang favorites are:
Playboy (PB) Hotel on "the green route" near soi 3
Penthouse Hotel on "the green route" near soi 3
A shorttime hotel immediately outside Soi Cowboy on the soi 21 side
A shorttime hotel inside the parking lot of Clinton Plaza
Rates vary between 250 and 350 baht for shorttime. The usually allotted time is 2 hours. However, if you want to take all two hours then you should make this clear to the girl beforehand, because many guys have complained that their girl wanted a quick sexual encounter and then to return to the bar. Some bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy have a place in the back of the bar where you can go for a quickie for about 200 baht.
posted @ 8:16 AM
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